Thermaltake Water2.0 Performer and Pro CPU Coolers

[funkindrago]

You are correct alan that the closed loop water cooling system are here to stay. They certainly look nice in a system and allow for a cleaner installation. However high end air coolers at the same or less cost typically perform better often are quieter.

[BackDraft]

LOL, closed loop systems are what they are. Just an alternative. Anyone who takes performance tuning seriously still uses air or a full loop setup. Over the course of an hour or so closed loop systems heat to a point that the radiator can't cool the liquid. Once at that point temperatures begin to increase. Don't know who sold you to believe that they will replace large air cooler but I guess they did their job in making you believe it.
I hope you have two fans one over and one behind your vrm if your performance tuning and using one of those self contained units on a sandybridge -e or a bulldozer system. If not you will be purchasing a new motherboard every 4 weeks.
Guess where you received your information from didn't tell you that.
Alan you are a wise man, think about it.

[Cella]

Enclosed loop water systems are here to stay, you can all say what you please, those humongous air coolers are going the same way as the spinner hdd drives. Down the tubes. Asetek units are some of the best units on the market, they easily compare to Corsair, but Corsair has much better customer support if you have a problem. So did Asetek, but your dealing Thermaltake now and I never dealt with their customer support so I cannot speak about them. You couldnt give me an air cooler, I agree the DIY water systems are better but you cant have a good one for 100.00 like you can with an enclosed loop.

Well....didn't take long for someone to back up my point 100%, now did it? No performance comparisons, no facts.....just "but it's water!".

I do happen to agree that the humongous air cooler is on the way out. The Cooler Master TPC 812 uses technology that has it performing comparably alongside units almost twice its size. The Noctua NH-L12 blew everyone's mind in size/performance ratio. Phanteks has a totally new smaller design in the works. The list goes on, simply because at the moment air cooling mfg are doing quite a bit in product development, and we are seeing product advances.

These water-in-a-box rigs haven't changed in years. They haven't had to simply because there is a sucker born every minute.

[rrplay]

LOL, closed loop systems are what they are. Just an alternative. Anyone who takes performance tuning seriously still uses air or a full loop setup. Over the course of an hour or so closed loop systems heat to a point that the radiator can't cool the liquid. Once at that point temperatures begin to increase. Don't know who sold you to believe that they will replace large air cooler but I guess they did their job in making you believe it.
I hope you have two fans one over and one behind your vrm if your performance tuning and using one of those self contained units on a sandybridge -e or a bulldozer system. If not you will be purchasing a new motherboard every 4 weeks....

Interesting point that should be taken into consideration,is that typically some folks may have a self contained hydro unit installed with the radiator and exhaust out the back or out the top of the chassis, while the mainboard vrm may be starved for cooler air after a bit of time with a system under load ===== not good ! esp with the performance tune crowd
some pretty snappy looking and efficient designs are used on mainboard heatsinks for reason.Yet some cooler air [intake]will always help, and sometimes starved.
**anyone else notice the optional fan mount on some chassis behind the mobo lately ?

Have to agree with Cella that the whopper air coolers may be going out.

I have a CoolerMaster TPC 812 and its performance is noticeable better especially when performance tuning a hot chip like a FX-8150 compared to 2 self-contained hydro units that were available at the time.
Currently have the Noctua NH-L12 on an SB rig which delivers solid and quiet performance.Still think that the innovation and developments for heatsink / air coolers along with new fan technology look promising for the savvy.

[BackDraft]

As you can see I made no reference to a "humongous" air cooler I said large or as I consider a full sized cooler. So I will specify. Single tower dual fan or even 1 depending on the system.I would consider the TPC812 in that class.

[Cella]

As you can see I made no reference to a "humongous" air cooler I said large or as I consider a full sized cooler. So I will specify. Single tower dual fan or even 1 depending on the system.I would consider the TPC812 in that class.

Alan made the "humongous" reference, not you. I was agreeing that the "humongous" cooler may be going by the wayside with the advances that are being made in air cooling, pointing out a couple of coolers that have made great strides in size/performance ratio. Peter agreed, and it just so happens that he owns two of the coolers I mentioned, so he added his two cents.

[x.clay]

Enclosed loop water systems are here to stay, you can all say what you please, those humongous air coolers are going the same way as the spinner hdd drives. Down the tubes. Asetek units are some of the best units on the market, they easily compare to Corsair, but Corsair has much better customer support if you have a problem. So did Asetek, but your dealing Thermaltake now and I never dealt with their customer support so I cannot speak about them. You couldnt give me an air cooler, I agree the DIY water systems are better but you cant have a good one for 100.00 like you can with an enclosed loop.

I disagree - I think the self contained until in their current form are a fad. They have mediocre performance but look cool and involve "water cooling" so people buy them. There may eventually be improvements to these systems that give them a leg up on air cooling and that would change my mind. Right now the only thing they really have going for them is aesthetics.